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26 July 2011 @ 02:56 pm
Women banned from attending Battlefield 3 launch LAN party  
From http://borderhouseblog.com/?p=5811

A large launch party and LAN for Battlefield 3 is being held in Texas, and women are disallowed from attending in order to protect them from misogynistic insults. While the original text in the FAQ has now been removed, the FAQ declared that women are not invited with the following statement:

Nothing ruins a good LAN party like uncomfortable guests or lots of tension, both of which can result from mixing immature, misogynistic male-gamers with female counterparts. Though we’ve done our best to avoid these situations in years past, we’ve certainly had our share of problems. As a result, we no longer allow women to attend this event.”

Could there be a more perfect example of privilege? I'm not exactly a social justice warrior but it is nothing short of disgusting that males who cannot prevent themselves from making sexist comments or behaving in a misogynistic manner are being catered to. This behaviour is akin to victim blaming, and I for one will not be purchasing this product.
 
 
 
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ϟ ∫ennιſer Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒdieseled on July 26th, 2011 10:22 pm (UTC)
Ugh. I'm so pissed off at this I don't know what to say.

They're not doing it to protect the female gamers, they're doing it to prevent the possibility of a female gamer suing them for letting the male attendees make the comments, even though they have no control over it.
They probably had legal troubles in the past with certain female gamers who attended.
Loolaaloolaa on July 26th, 2011 10:22 pm (UTC)
This is ridiculous. I imagine there'll be a hell of a lot of men that won't be making misogynistic comments. So instead of banning ALL the women, why don't they simply ban the men who make the misogynistic comments. Cuz there'll certainly be a few men who will be made uncomfortable anyway, even without women there.

It IS victim blaming.
Queen of the Pirates: Old School Gamerpirate_nami on July 26th, 2011 10:32 pm (UTC)
I wouldn't even have had a problem with it being a male-only event if they just advertised it as a "boys' night out" in the same vein as "girls' night out". The fact that they tried to give a lame excuse as to why women were not allowed and pass it off as protecting women from sexist remarks...? Not cool.

One of the commenters on Border House nailed it on the head as far as I'm concerned. Are they going to also ban gays and people of color by the same logic, because of the racist/homophobic slurs that are just as common?
Caitersayashi on July 26th, 2011 10:37 pm (UTC)
Is this an officially sanctioned LAN party being held by the Battlefield 3 publisher or developer? If it isn't I'm not sure it is necessary to avoid buying it due to this LAN party's stupid rules. (Personally, I won't be buying it anyway since it isn't my kind of game :P)

But I like this quote in the article you linked best:

This is a large, private event and its organizers certainly have the right to associate with whomever they please. But given what I usually hear over my headset in military shooters like Battlefield, I wonder if this party would so outwardly ban any black gamers from registering. Because it would be so, you know, uncomfortable to hear them being insulted.

Or maybe the answer here is to forbid that kind of obnoxious behavior, and kick out anyone who breaks the rule, $49 registration be damned. Or maybe this event is more about the comfort of the organizers than the participants.
Firebringer: Mine! - seagullsfiresplace on July 26th, 2011 10:39 pm (UTC)
Hrm. The way it's described it sounds like a private party, so of course the hosts can invite or not invite anyone they want, however bizarre their choices. If this LAN isn't actually sponsored by Battlefield 3 or any affiliated companies, it doesn't impact my decision to pick up the game.

But I sure hope this kind of attitude DOESN'T spread to the publisher. Ugh!
Sumanyappnyappcafe on July 26th, 2011 11:07 pm (UTC)
This
masked_creator (M_C): Flash Sword Irenemasked_creator on July 26th, 2011 10:42 pm (UTC)
That's really pathetic. It sounds to me like "We're too lazy to actually call misogynist and immature men out on their shitty behavior, so we'll be "protecting" you by not letting you attend." This kind of crap in this day and age is just stupid.
Juliamutive on July 26th, 2011 10:46 pm (UTC)
This kind of thing makes me feel ill.

I don't know that I even need to throw in that women who attend LAN parties (at least the few I know) are already subjected to enough of this to be pretty immune to it. (Which makes it even more "this is a boy's club, get out you icky girls!")
LadyCyndra: eye twitch-its all in your head-ladycyndra on July 26th, 2011 10:49 pm (UTC)
And of course this is coming from MY state. I apologize for the fail. *sighs*
Angel of Nightkimerastorm on July 26th, 2011 10:59 pm (UTC)
Maybe a petition?

change.org and sites like it make it very easy to create and distribute petitions among large groups of people.
Chukfiserious_mccoy on July 26th, 2011 11:11 pm (UTC)
But we delicate females must be protected from their overwhelming masculinity! ;_;

Ban assholes, not decent people getting the short end of the stick. As others have said, I wouldn't care if they decided to make it a "boys only" thing just for its own sake, but when they say it's to "protect" us? Don't fucking condescend half the entire population.
LadyCyndraladycyndra on July 27th, 2011 01:41 am (UTC)
But we delicate females must be protected from their overwhelming masculinity! ;_;

That is what offends me the most about this. The very notion that we can't handle ourselves against idiots that make sexist comments.

Oh noes! I may wither! *barf*
Atomic Dragoness: Kick Ass...Take Namesalizara on July 27th, 2011 02:20 am (UTC)
Yes. This so much. Want to strangle and maim.
I refuse to give up my obsession: Comic-Conendlessdeep on July 26th, 2011 11:24 pm (UTC)
Wow, so instead of making these idiots behave themselves they are saying it's okay to act like an immature misogynistic idiot, by not allowing women to be there. That is pathetic.

I don't see the problem with having only men or only women events, but when they say it's only men because they want to protect women, that's a cop out and it's discrimination.
x_creepy_doll_xx_creepy_doll_x on July 27th, 2011 05:34 pm (UTC)
I agree. It shows just how biased and stupid they really are.
Mistymewmew on July 26th, 2011 11:40 pm (UTC)
Hey, idiots who made this choice. Why not ban the men instead? If the men are the ones causing the problems it would make more sense to ban them. Or, you know, just kick out the assholes and let everyone else enjoy gaming.
Murgomgitshbc on July 26th, 2011 11:45 pm (UTC)
Don't you bring logic into this!
Phoenixphnxnxil3 on July 27th, 2011 12:00 am (UTC)
It's definitely irritating and infuriating but at the same time, I'm not surprised. A bonus to this: I don't play Battlefield anyway.
Miss Crazy-Hotdanicia on July 27th, 2011 12:13 am (UTC)
As it is a private event, they can make it for whomever they want. It is /not/ an event hosted by EA (or any affiliates). I'm along the lines of one comment I saw somewhere; if you call it "boys weekend" or something and just leave it at that, people wouldn't be as upset. There are plenty of women only events; nothing wrong with men only events.

That being said, it's shitty /why/ they decided not to include women and sounds like a very lame with them apologizing all over each other to "clarify" what they mean. *rolls eyes*

quixotic_coffee on July 27th, 2011 01:15 am (UTC)
"There are plenty of women only events; nothing wrong with men only events."

I don't want to start a thing but I wish people would quit saying this. A men only gaming invite is a jerky thing to do because there's no reason for it. Whereas a women only thing would be because they don't want to be harassed. I'm not talking about some guy and his friends in his garage but I would definitely have a problem with a huge sponsored men only thing.
containspeanutscontainspeanuts on July 27th, 2011 01:26 am (UTC)
This!
Miss Crazy-Hotdanicia on July 27th, 2011 01:50 am (UTC)
I wasn't talking about this specific event, but events in general. And not just about gaming events. I should have made that more clear.

There are men's groups in churches, spiritual communities, and whatnot. No one blinks twice at those, yes?

I think my key point was that the event is run by individuals. No matter how stupid it is, they're not actually wrong for designing an event (which they are paying for/hosting) exclusive to men.

"Boys night out" "Girls night out". People have them all the time.

For this specific event, I think this comment from the BorderHouse post is key:

"I’m of two minds on this: It’s a private party. Period. They can say ‘Clothing Optional’ if they really wanted to. I don’t care.

HOWEVER, the fact that they made this ridiculous statement just underscores the fact that the culture of the whole gaming community needs to change."



ChunginHopanyee on July 27th, 2011 12:27 am (UTC)
Should solve the problem this way:

Females, our male visitors will probably make stupid comments. If you feel uncomfortable, we suggest you stay home.

Men, our female visitors do not enjoy being treated poorly. By signing this waiver, you allow any woman to kick you in the groin if you so much as breathe funny.
Arlie Stephensertla on July 27th, 2011 10:16 pm (UTC)
This! Though when I was an undergraduate, we saved our violence for those who did more than just breathe funny.
lady_blubrdlady_blubrd on July 27th, 2011 01:13 am (UTC)
Well, it's in no way affiliated with EA or DICE setting up the LAN party.If it was, I would have problem with it and be the first in line to sign a petition against the ban. But, it is a private event. So, if they want to make it exclusive, they can. But, I don't agree with how this particular group went about it.

Texas is my home state,but we're no different than any other place with the occasional ass-backwards ideas.
planet_unicorn: Hello sweetie.planet_unicorn on July 27th, 2011 01:34 am (UTC)
This makes me want to travel all the way to Texas just to show them a thing or two. God, do I want to shove my foot up someone's ass.
LadyCyndraladycyndra on July 27th, 2011 01:39 am (UTC)
We have a spare room you can use!
sissyhiyah: HODORsissyhiyah on July 27th, 2011 01:55 am (UTC)
RAGE.

This is complete and utter bullshit.
Vela: Death w/ magical backgroundvela on July 27th, 2011 03:06 am (UTC)
Hahaha! This is the dumbest shit I've read all week. I even showed my bf and male friends who play BF:BC2 and even they thought this is straight out stupid and ass backwards.
Laurarawrtothefifth on July 27th, 2011 03:21 am (UTC)
I feel like the women would have complained about the event when they were there and now there is a problem with them not being allowed to go. If this is a private gathering too then there is nothing that can be done about it. The girls who had planned to go should make their own event.
Ariellodessa on July 27th, 2011 05:53 am (UTC)
Wow. How about the obvious solution of kicking jerks who can't behave out instead?
Hold on until it's over.: Shooting Jackjadziadrgnrdr on July 27th, 2011 09:35 am (UTC)
This is disgusting. I wish I played this game just so I could boycott it. Ugh.
Ravenmichiru: Angry Catravenmichiru on July 27th, 2011 05:02 pm (UTC)
Wow. If I had been interested in playing this game I wouldn't be now. This is just so insulting I don't even know where to start.
x_creepy_doll_xx_creepy_doll_x on July 27th, 2011 05:28 pm (UTC)
That is disgusting and possibly illegal as well. Boyfriend and I will not buy their stupid game.
Nexus-9: brotherhood of steelblaiderunner on July 28th, 2011 01:21 am (UTC)
Fucking idiots. I just ~love~ how they decided it was better to punish women for the men's behavior. Ain't that the way of it? It is a disgustingly obvious example of victim-blaming and male privilege. To hell with 'em.
tobekiyoshi: FAIL!?tobekiyoshi on July 29th, 2011 01:02 am (UTC)
I understand it's not associated with the makers or anything, but the thing that makes it scary is, in a way, it's like breeding this behavior. It's okay to make those comments, because the women are out of the room.

Which in turn, allows them to get more confident in their hateful speech, so when they go home, and sign on to play with their new guy friends, and a woman joins in, it's going to turn in to a gang bang of hate, because guys are more stupid when stupid guys are backing them up.

If I was ever interested in this game, I am not now, because this shows you a large portion of those male gamers for this game are being allowed to be hateful, and learn from eachother.
LadyCyndraladycyndra on July 29th, 2011 02:55 am (UTC)
All of this.
Tim Horton McBrewskicupcakesusie on July 29th, 2011 10:43 am (UTC)
Forgive me for asking but isn't boycotting a game you want to play due to misogynist behavior kind of giving them what they want? It's not the fault of the developers that there are gamers out there like that. If you really want to play the game, report the shitty behavior if and when it happens on an official server; I'm sure that the company itself is more than willing to punish the people that exhibit poor behavior instead of the victims of it.
tobekiyoshi: FAIL!?tobekiyoshi on July 29th, 2011 04:36 pm (UTC)
You're forgiven. :P

Like I said before, IF I was in to this game, I wouldn't play it. I'm not in to this game though. Personally, I think it as, leaving them to their 'boy time'. I'll be over here playing Left 4 Dead instead. Second of all, I have reported many guys I've encountered with misogynist behavior, and you know what happened? Nothing. I don't even think Companies look past the fact when they put the game out there. But that's is just my opinion from my personal experiences.
shukivengeanceshukivengeance on August 2nd, 2011 06:27 pm (UTC)
Agreed. The majority of posters have felt the need to repeat endlessly that this is a private function and not the responsibility of those who created the game, but that misses the point of why I will not be buying it.

I was already borderline on my interest and unsure as to whether I'd get it, and the fact that the community needs to be protected from the consequences of their sexist behaviour just cements to me that I want nothing to do with it or that type of people.
› Junebug: sexism [statement; political/media]lickbrains on August 1st, 2011 12:31 am (UTC)
Wow. "Boys are allowed to be immature jackasses because girls are there. Therefore, girls are banned." What the hell kind of message is that supposed to send? Never played the game, never will.
Kathleen: TrueLoveCompanionCubesteveshot on August 1st, 2011 03:40 am (UTC)
Not the developers fault, just a bunch of dumbasses holding an event. Nothing too new about this, sadly. :/

They welcome girls and guys to the event I've gone for a few years (kind of bigish one), but don't put up with assholery a whole lot. If I actually took action on it a bit, I know people would be getting the boot, but I know they wouldn't just start "not allowing women". :/ If they did just because of that, I would be most upset at the organizers for blaming women on it because I just tag "an asshole as an asshole, woman or man".

There should be something in the wavier explaining this sort of behaviour shouldn't be tolerated. It goes for guys and gals. If you're an asshole, racist, sexist, etc, you're out!
Alone In This Worldkivunsotilas on August 1st, 2011 05:43 am (UTC)
This is absolutely disgusting. It's like saying "Sorry we can't stop you from getting raped, so why don't you just stay home".
shukivengeanceshukivengeance on August 2nd, 2011 06:31 pm (UTC)
Off-topic but comments like that do get made too, in today's misogynist rape culture. I'm sure you're already aware of the slutwalks and stuff?

While the level of misogyny involved in the hosts of an event making a decision like this is of course not of the same level as victim blaming for rape, it's all a symptom of the same thing. :/
¡Ay Maricruz!la_magdalena on August 4th, 2011 05:08 am (UTC)
Right, ban women and not the men making the comments and causing the problems.
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